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TOPIC: Uber shader?

Uber shader? 6 months 2 weeks ago #1

Question for professional reshaders: Would an uber shader (AKA, a shader with multiple shaders combined into one) result in any performance boost? And if so, why is this not being done? Also, wouldn't it make more sense for HDR colors (to avoid reshade's pesky HDR trimming)? For example, have a reverse tonemapping shader (for HDR colors without quality) first, AA shader second, then a sharpen shader, then bloom and color corrections, as well as any other shaders... Sort of a game development approach (except for the reverse tonempping part lol). I am asking for professional's thoughts on this before I go combining complicated shaders :P Please and thank you for any answers!
Last Edit: 6 months 2 weeks ago by NoMansReshade.
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Uber shader? 6 months 2 weeks ago #2

I'm no HLSL expert, but...

I doubt the performance gains would warrant such a shader. They'd probably be minor in a best case scenario where you're fully utilizing all aspects of the combined shader. Also, you can already merge any color grading shaders using a LUT.

There are places for "uber shaders", though, as they let the different effects talk to each other and behave in a standardized way.
For example, Cycles' Principled BSDF shader:
However, I don't think this'd be necessary in ReShade. Re-ordering the effects is generally enough, and I think some of Ganossa's shaders can already cross-communicate.
Last Edit: 6 months 2 weeks ago by FierySwordswoman.
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Uber shader? 6 months 2 weeks ago #3

the difference would be like from 300 fps to 302 fps, and if you combine some of the multipass effect properly, you would go from 300 fps down to 10 fps no kidding. (ie, AA and sharpen in a single pass.)
single texture R/W of a shader isn't a bottleneck in most of the use case
Last Edit: 6 months 2 weeks ago by kingeric1992.
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Uber shader? 6 months 1 week ago #4

Having an "uber shader" should indeed not only improve performance by a significant amount, but also quality(if you wanna be really picky, that is) for most smaller effects. If you check CeeJay's SweetFX for ReShade 2, you'll notice that he does this already. For example, just having a straight read/write pass will drop me about single frame at 4K, on my 1070 (from 67 to 66). When you add up 5 or 6 different effects, it'll start to matter.

However.

This is not always the best solution, nor doable. Bluring often requires multiple passes, and you can do this within your own set of effects, but it'll probably be minor, and it'll add a constant performance impact, since you can't disable it the same way you do in ReShade 3 (though you can still use defines for that), not to mention the lack of modularity it implies.

And ReShade does not use HDR, only an 8-bit buffer. You can't tonemap colors that ain't there.
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Uber shader? 5 months 3 days ago #5

You clearly didn't grasp the entirety of my question. You can reverse a tonemapped image to get the HDR color values with lost accuracy. This kind of HDR is not one of "bit" nature. 10-bit, 8-bit denote the color values being mapped to a 2D image, I'm talking about values larger than 255 and then mapping those to the "natural" space of 255 through tonemapping :P

( More info could be found in this thread: reshade.me/forum/shader-discussion/2888-reverse-tonemapping )

Anyways, I have concluded that this indeed is not a viable solution. I will, however be exploring the possibility of combing "bright" effects such as bloom and tonemapping.
Last Edit: 5 months 3 days ago by NoMansReshade.
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